In this special episode we speak with Professor Norman Fenton, Emeritus Professor of Risk at Queen Mary University of London. Norman has been a beacon of critical thinking through the last few years, bringing clarity, reasoned analysis and compelling evidence to issues around covid and net zero, and at some considerable personal cost. We discuss his work highlighting issues around covid testing, vaccination and excess deaths. We then discuss his recent concerns about anti-semitism in the ‘Freedom Movement’, and his personal insights as a Jew with many family links to Israel. We conclude with the need for more understanding of the complexities of the history of Israel, including for Christians, and the importance of standing against anti-semitism.